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Tessie
 26 Apr 2012, 00:54 #148472 Reply To Post
Quote: rosefitzrobert, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 00:45
Quote: Tessie, Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012 23:00
Quote: rosefitzrobert, Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012 22:34
well, all I can say is that if my writing had the "faults" of Tolkien and Lessing, I think I wouldn't give a shit about the TT, because I'd be in a pantheon with some of the most loved and admired (including by me) writers of all time.


Hi darling, Tessie here, I totally agree - love that Barbara Lessing, couldn't get me off the sofa cause of 'Will & Grace.' Had a dog called Frodo once as well.


My new horsey is called Gandalf, and he clearly had a fight with a Balrog and fell down an abyss, but we'll get him better, me and his cousin Presto (pictured in avatar)


By the look of your GG may have been better calling it Big Balls Baggins no?

Way past my bedtime - hope I get some shut-eye with Albert's snoring. Tarra.
This post was last edited by Tessie, 26 Apr 2012, 01:05
denna
 26 Apr 2012, 01:00 #148473 Reply To Post
{Hi darling, Tessie here, I totally agree - love that Barbara Lessing, couldn't get me off the sofa cause of 'Will & Grace.' Had a dog called Frodo once as well.


My new horsey is called Gandalf, and he clearly had a fight with a Balrog and fell down an abyss, but we'll get him better, me and his cousin Presto (pictured in avatar)
}

A good friend of mine has your horse's brother. He's named Griffin. (Forgive spelling errors. Don't know how his mother spells it.) He's a thoroughbredy-looking Paint. Pretty thing.

How do you guys cut down the quoted parts without the lettering go so small I can't even read it?
This post was last edited by denna, 26 Apr 2012, 01:02
rosefitzrobert
 26 Apr 2012, 01:09 #148474 Reply To Post
Quote: denna, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 01:00
{Hi darling, Tessie here, I totally agree - love that Barbara Lessing, couldn't get me off the sofa cause of 'Will & Grace.' Had a dog called Frodo once as well.


My new horsey is called Gandalf, and he clearly had a fight with a Balrog and fell down an abyss, but we'll get him better, me and his cousin Presto (pictured in avatar)
}

A good friend of mine has your horse's brother. He's named Griffin. (Forgive spelling errors. Don't know how his mother spells it.) He's a thoroughbredy-looking Paint. Pretty thing.

How do you guys cut down the quoted parts without the lettering go so small I can't even read it?

Hi Denna, Not sure I understand. Presto and Gandalf really are cousins (third cousins I guess - family trees for horses get pretty complicated )they aren't Paints, and they don't have any brothers who are Thoroughbreds or Paints - lovely though those breeds are
rosefitzrobert
 26 Apr 2012, 02:55 #148476 Reply To Post
Quote: rosefitzrobert, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 01:09
Quote: denna, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 01:00
{Hi darling, Tessie here, I totally agree - love that Barbara Lessing, couldn't get me off the sofa cause of 'Will & Grace.' Had a dog called Frodo once as well.


My new horsey is called Gandalf, and he clearly had a fight with a Balrog and fell down an abyss, but we'll get him better, me and his cousin Presto (pictured in avatar)
}

A good friend of mine has your horse's brother. He's named Griffin. (Forgive spelling errors. Don't know how his mother spells it.) He's a thoroughbredy-looking Paint. Pretty thing.

How do you guys cut down the quoted parts without the lettering go so small I can't even read it?


Hi Denna, Not sure I understand. Presto and Gandalf really are cousins (third cousins I guess - family trees for horses get pretty complicated )they aren't Paints, and they don't have any brothers who are Thoroughbreds or Paints - lovely though those breeds are

Hi Again Denna,

I just looked up your profile and see you love talking about horses...and were a dressage trainer. Wow! I'll come see you in your blog
denna
 26 Apr 2012, 05:00 #148477 Reply To Post
I'm going to bypass the quotes this time. I made a big mess out of the last one. Yes, I was teasing about the brother thing. The horse, Griffin, made a pretty good lower level dressage horse. He was not built quite as heavy as most Paints, hence the thoroubredy look. I'm willing to bet he had more thoroughbred in him than quarter horse.

Yah! Stop by any time. I really need to be a better blogger (say that fast ten times ) and put out more posts, but I get so busy. Shame, shame.
youngun
 26 Apr 2012, 07:30 #148480 Reply To Post
Quote: PERRY, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 00:44
youngun, so the intricacies of social interplay and motivations are beyond you if wrapped in the fantasy genre - fine. I loathe chicklit and "romance". It doesn't stop me fairly reviewing the authors' writing skills on the basis of what is uploaded.


Abolutely not, Perry. I'll give any genre a chance - but I have noticed that so much of what is peddled as fantasy or SF is lacking in the qualities you describe. Might even go so far as to say these qualities are needed even more in such genre works, to compensate for the reader having to suspend disbelief.

PERRY
 26 Apr 2012, 09:15 #148487 Reply To Post
Quote: youngun, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 07:30
Quote: PERRY, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 00:44
youngun, so the intricacies of social interplay and motivations are beyond you if wrapped in the fantasy genre - fine. I loathe chicklit and "romance". It doesn't stop me fairly reviewing the authors' writing skills on the basis of what is uploaded.


Abolutely not, Perry. I'll give any genre a chance - but I have noticed that so much of what is peddled as fantasy or SF is lacking in the qualities you describe. Might even go so far as to say these qualities are needed even more in such genre works, to compensate for the reader having to suspend disbelief.



Ah, another misinterpretation by me then. My apologies. I should have realised that you were not entirely down on the genre when you said "sub-Tolkienesque".

Some are, and think it reasonable behaviour to mess the authors about on that basis. If anyone doesn't want to review any and all genres, all they have to do is go to their profile and amend the categories they are interested in. That way there won't be so many complaints about droppers and pontificators. Removing general fiction option should do the job.

All good novels need the qualities mentioned. There seems to be a school of thought that there are degrees of "suspending belief". There isn't. What is a leap for some is a casual amble for others, so all fiction demands the process.

Take for instance Kidnapped or Swallows And Amazons. How likely is it that a young lad could wander about an island alone without getting bitten by something poisonous? What sort of parents allow their children out alone in a boat, unsupervised?

For me it beggared belief when that young girl was permitted to sail around the world - I mean wtf? Did her Da not hear of modern day murdering pirates?
This post was last edited by PERRY, 26 Apr 2012, 09:17
youngun
 26 Apr 2012, 09:22 #148488 Reply To Post
Quote: Tessie, Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012 23:00
Quote: rosefitzrobert, Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012 22:34
well, all I can say is that if my writing had the "faults" of Tolkien and Lessing, I think I wouldn't give a shit about the TT, because I'd be in a pantheon with some of the most loved and admired (including by me) writers of all time.


Hi darling, Tessie here, I totally agree - love that Barbara Lessing, couldn't get me off the sofa cause of 'Will & Grace.' Had a dog called Frodo once as well.


Didn't Frasier Crane have a couple of Dachshunds called Lessing and Schiller? Or was it Niles and Lillith? Perhaps I just dreamt it.
ZeBeDee
 26 Apr 2012, 09:31 #148491 Reply To Post
Quote: PERRY, Thursday, 26 Apr 2012 00:44


Andrew - it doesn't take a mathematical genius to figure out that scoring others low will affect their standing. And I did specifically say that "Charts are not always indicators of the best quality."

This doesn't take away from the quality which does appear in the tt, it merely is a statement of fact that sometimes cream rises, sometimes floaters.


I have no idea or interest in Belgarion. Never heard of him. Which says something. And anyway, is Hamlet Hamlet, or Hrolf Kraki with a skull in his hand?

I also never said that charts indicated quality of any sort. I said chance or public acclaim. Who said public acclaim had anything to do with quality?

As to downscoring, how many times can you review a piece? Once. Do covens of members hit the new assignment buttons seeking out quality writing to destroy its chances? Hmmmm. I guess we all have our conspiracy theories.

Put it this way: the number of members you would need in your coven to sink a "quality" story would need to be substantial. In fact, of the order of the active membership of YWO. Otherwise, members not part of the conspiracy would be annoyingly voting up the quality story that the coven had worked so hard to destroy.

So no, it doesn't stack up. Between mathematics and paranoia I choose the former.

The cold, empty reality is that the world is full of idiots who don't recognize how well I write. They just don't get my subtlety, my refined references to poets past, to my search of other Gods and other sleeping Devils and no amount of yelling will ever change that.

So, have a healthy attitude: so what if someone gives you 1s, 2s and 3s. We all get them. It is just that some get more than others. Luck or popular acclaim? Bit of both probably.

The odd idiot will try to knock a story, and may even manage to knock it off the TT. So what? That is what 1 in 5 removals are there for. And if you get more than 1 in 5 idiots, well, tough. We all get them.

It doesn't mean there is a coven.

Now Perry, that is all I have to say, and I have two websites to finish and I am tendering for an intranet for a London institution, so the stage is all yours.

Do with it as you please.
This post was last edited by ZeBeDee, 26 Apr 2012, 09:49
ZeBeDee
 26 Apr 2012, 09:52 #148495 Reply To Post
Quote: rosefitzrobert, Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012 22:34
well, all I can say is that if my writing had the "faults" of Tolkien and Lessing, I think I wouldn't give a shit about the TT, because I'd be in a pantheon with some of the most loved and admired (including by me) writers of all time.


I didn't say they were bad. I said that to be as pretentious as them you need to be pretty darn good.
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