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mathewferguson
 10 Jul 2008, 13:54 #38917 Reply To Post
Quote: NickP, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 13:50
At least we're better at..

at..

At least the Queen can dissolve your parliament whenever she likes.


At least our Prime Minister felt up the Queen when she was here... (A long time ago ... and you know what? We really didn't like him that much anyways.)

And ... and ... I don't know. We see so many English tourists here that we just assume it must be cold and sniffly back in the UK.

God bless English girls though. God bless their cotton socks. They can come over whenever they want.
NickP
 10 Jul 2008, 13:58 #38918 Reply To Post
We see a few Aussies over here too. They travel the world seeking wisdom.

Don't find much do they?

Aussie girls, they bring all the wisdom they need.
"...the likes of NickP can rant on if they like"

I occasionally rant on at http://amonsterinthemirror.blogspot.com/
slavandria
 10 Jul 2008, 18:50 #38953 Reply To Post
Quote: mathewferguson, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 04:20
To answer various posts in one go ...

I live in Australia so I'm asleep while the rest of you are posting. I think I referred to this as "tried and executed before I wake" in some other post. So, if it seems like five people or whatever had to say something to me before I answer ... it's because I'm asleep. You may notice my posts have time-stamps of 1am etc. So, Slavandria -- that is why I did not answer regarding angelscribe until the next day.

(and yada, yada, yada)..............



Mat, I'm going to say this once and then I will not discuss it further with you as I will not allow you to bait me into your rhetorical, self-absorption.

You have asked me to give you proof of what I see as your egotistical, snobby, arrogant self. You just did it with this very long post. This whole "look at me, everyone focus on me, poor Mat getting beat up on while I sleep" attitude you have conveyed time and time again in your posts. Why can't you just accept that other people disagree or don't appreciate your tone of voice in some of your posts and move on? Why must you have the last word and always try to bring the conversation back around to you? That is a very egotistical and arrogant thing to do. Let it go, Mat. Not everyone is going to like you or what you write or the way you write it. Hasn't your psychology degree and your worldly experiences taught you that yet? Brush yourself off, move on to another topic and discuss things like a rational human being instead of a little boy pouting in the corner of his sandbox because someone just slapped his wrists.

Also, I never made reference in my posting about your apology to Angelscribe taking so long so I don't know what you were refering to in your post above. What I said was something along the lines of when you finally did respond and apologize, I wasn't quite sure if you were sincere or if it was done to appease us but it really didn't matter because that was between you and Angelscribe. So, if I were you, I would heed your own advice and not put words in other's mouths. Oh, and by the way, I have only expressed my opinions in my posts and have made it quite clear I am stating my "feeling" or "opinion". With that said, why are you taking such offense? Perhaps you don't like my tone? Hmm, that shoe is feeling awful snug on that other foot, isn't it?

Toodles, dear. Pleasant dreams. Catch you on another thread.
Jen

"There are books of which the backs and covers are by far the best parts." Charles Dickens
NickP
 10 Jul 2008, 19:05 #38957 Reply To Post
And there I was, thinking we were all mates now.
"...the likes of NickP can rant on if they like"

I occasionally rant on at http://amonsterinthemirror.blogspot.com/
Lorraine
 10 Jul 2008, 19:08 #38958 Reply To Post
Deleted another non-funny joke post.

I spend more time deleting posts that could be misconstrued than writing the buggers in the first place.
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bilious maximus
 10 Jul 2008, 21:13 #38983 Reply To Post
Quote: slavandria, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 18:50
Quote: mathewferguson, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 04:20
To answer various posts in one go ...

I live in Australia so I'm asleep while the rest of you are posting. I think I referred to this as "tried and executed before I wake" in some other post. So, if it seems like five people or whatever had to say something to me before I answer ... it's because I'm asleep. You may notice my posts have time-stamps of 1am etc. So, Slavandria -- that is why I did not answer regarding angelscribe until the next day.

(and yada, yada, yada)..............



Mat, I'm going to say this once and then I will not discuss it further with you as I will not allow you to bait me into your rhetorical, self-absorption.

You have asked me to give you proof of what I see as your egotistical, snobby, arrogant self. You just did it with this very long post. This whole "look at me, everyone focus on me, poor Mat getting beat up on while I sleep" attitude you have conveyed time and time again in your posts. Why can't you just accept that other people disagree or don't appreciate your tone of voice in some of your posts and move on? Why must you have the last word and always try to bring the conversation back around to you? That is a very egotistical and arrogant thing to do. Let it go, Mat. Not everyone is going to like you or what you write or the way you write it. Hasn't your psychology degree and your worldly experiences taught you that yet? Brush yourself off, move on to another topic and discuss things like a rational human being instead of a little boy pouting in the corner of his sandbox because someone just slapped his wrists.

Also, I never made reference in my posting about your apology to Angelscribe taking so long so I don't know what you were refering to in your post above. What I said was something along the lines of when you finally did respond and apologize, I wasn't quite sure if you were sincere or if it was done to appease us but it really didn't matter because that was between you and Angelscribe. So, if I were you, I would heed your own advice and not put words in other's mouths. Oh, and by the way, I have only expressed my opinions in my posts and have made it quite clear I am stating my "feeling" or "opinion". With that said, why are you taking such offense? Perhaps you don't like my tone? Hmm, that shoe is feeling awful snug on that other foot, isn't it?

Toodles, dear. Pleasant dreams. Catch you on another thread.


You have a good heart Slavandria. (IMHO).

MJ26
 10 Jul 2008, 23:42 #39014 Reply To Post
I think, Slavandria, that was a bit strong and a bit uncalled for. I think (viz:this is my opinion) you've got other issues you maybe need tackle than spend time traducing a forum contributor.
MJ26
 11 Jul 2008, 00:02 #39016 Reply To Post
I recall, Slavandria, you said: " I withdraw myself from any further discussion on Mat as I have probably said too much as it is and I know I wouldn't want someone hounding on me." But you couldn't resist it could you?
This post was last edited by MJ26, 11 Jul 2008, 00:04
MJ26
 11 Jul 2008, 00:08 #39021 Reply To Post
Having worked as an agent for 11 years I think what we're witnessing here is a disconnect between those who would have it as they think it should be and those who tell it like it is. Miss Snark (God love her) would have this sorted in two seconds.
mathewferguson
 11 Jul 2008, 01:41 #39022 Reply To Post
Quote: slavandria, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 18:50
Quote: mathewferguson, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 04:20
To answer various posts in one go ...

I live in Australia so I'm asleep while the rest of you are posting. I think I referred to this as "tried and executed before I wake" in some other post. So, if it seems like five people or whatever had to say something to me before I answer ... it's because I'm asleep. You may notice my posts have time-stamps of 1am etc. So, Slavandria -- that is why I did not answer regarding angelscribe until the next day.

(and yada, yada, yada)..............



Mat, I'm going to say this once and then I will not discuss it further with you as I will not allow you to bait me into your rhetorical, self-absorption.

You have asked me to give you proof of what I see as your egotistical, snobby, arrogant self. You just did it with this very long post. This whole "look at me, everyone focus on me, poor Mat getting beat up on while I sleep" attitude you have conveyed time and time again in your posts. Why can't you just accept that other people disagree or don't appreciate your tone of voice in some of your posts and move on? Why must you have the last word and always try to bring the conversation back around to you? That is a very egotistical and arrogant thing to do. Let it go, Mat. Not everyone is going to like you or what you write or the way you write it. Hasn't your psychology degree and your worldly experiences taught you that yet? Brush yourself off, move on to another topic and discuss things like a rational human being instead of a little boy pouting in the corner of his sandbox because someone just slapped his wrists.

Also, I never made reference in my posting about your apology to Angelscribe taking so long so I don't know what you were refering to in your post above. What I said was something along the lines of when you finally did respond and apologize, I wasn't quite sure if you were sincere or if it was done to appease us but it really didn't matter because that was between you and Angelscribe. So, if I were you, I would heed your own advice and not put words in other's mouths. Oh, and by the way, I have only expressed my opinions in my posts and have made it quite clear I am stating my "feeling" or "opinion". With that said, why are you taking such offense? Perhaps you don't like my tone? Hmm, that shoe is feeling awful snug on that other foot, isn't it?

Toodles, dear. Pleasant dreams. Catch you on another thread.


I was referring to this comment of yours: "The thing is, he didn't think what he did, in your example, was wrong until he was called on it - repeatedly. Only then, did he concede but I'm not even sure if Mat truly agreed with the apology or if he did it to appease us. Personally, I didn't feel it was an honest apology but that is neither here nor there."

Sorry -- so you just wrote that you "never made reference in my posting about your apology to Angelscribe taking so long". You did talk about it, it is in this thread for everyone to see. Did you forget what you wrote?

You have completely and utterly missed the entire point of this post. Firstly it was a summary so I could address the various negative things being said about me in one go. I would have preferred not to do so but some people on this forum have a bad habit of posting personal comments about me without evidence and when challenged they vanish.

The main point, just for you again, is this: I do not care if you disagree with me. I am happy to have discussions. If you persist in tracking away from the discussion and go into the insidious censorship realm of statements like "it's not what you say it's how you say it" then I will call you on it.

I don't want this ongoing conversation to occur! I want this thread to vanish!

What is really just the golden touch you have placed here is this: "You have asked me to give you proof of what I see as your egotistical, snobby, arrogant self. You just did it with this very long post."

This one is just brilliant -- another use is to tell someone they are argumentative and when they say "no I'm not" you say "see?"

The defense I make against you becomes the evidence you lack in the first place? I don't think so.

But here I am getting really bored again. Perhaps I should just act as you do and come out with a raft of insults? Should I call you egotistical and see if you will defend against it?

You see I wouldn't do that because it is low ... very low behaviour.

This is not about last word or look at me or consider me or any bs like that.

Stop writing to me and insulting me! I am heartily sick of it.
mathewferguson
 11 Jul 2008, 02:18 #39025 Reply To Post
Quote: NickP, Thursday, 10 Jul 2008 13:58
We see a few Aussies over here too. They travel the world seeking wisdom.

Don't find much do they?

Aussie girls, they bring all the wisdom they need.


What is that old joke (with easily interchangeable countries) ...

"An Englishman emigrating to Australia raises the IQ of both nations."

ha ha :-)

You better be careful what you say about the Aussies. We run all your bars over there. It's reverse colonisation ... we start with your pubs and move on from there!
NickP
 11 Jul 2008, 06:45 #39032 Reply To Post
Truthfully, I love Aussies. And Kiwis. Nowadays I love everybody.

Australia seems to have a thriving literary scene. The UK's seems in many ways to be stuck in old, dusty ruts. A tired old boy's network. I have never done an English degree but doing A Level English was enough to know that original thinking about (or rather, personal reaction to) "classics" is frowned upon. So I have a sneaking respect for your sneering at English degrees. I suspect they are all about regurgitating and not at all about creating. Writing fiction is a different skill altogether.

I think. But may I add my opinion is not humble at all.

Twenty-five years ago the USA was producing great books. Where are they now?

Hopefully these things are cyclical.

"...the likes of NickP can rant on if they like"

I occasionally rant on at http://amonsterinthemirror.blogspot.com/
flyingtart
 11 Jul 2008, 09:29 #39048 Reply To Post
Mathew, I didn't realise you were Australian. Do you by any chance know my Uncle Peter? Oh, go on, you must know him. He lives in Sydney...
dogeared
 30 Jul 2008, 16:29 #40468 Reply To Post
Hi Mathew

You have replied to a couple of my posts and offered advice, which I have appreciated.

Some of things you have said however have got under my skin.

The reason, I think, is that you are obviously knowledgeable in this field and your opinion is noteworthy.

I am new to writing, but have already found that I detest certain things about the whole publishing thing and unfortunately, your ideas represent the things I don't like.

It may be just because they are things I don't want to hear however, I don't know.

For example, off the top of my head, you said publishers won't read past the first page of a book if they don't like it.

You said the first line of a book is crucial.

Also, a book can't be based on a single idea.

Bonkers that lot!

Whilst I entirely accept you want to encourage people, it's ideas such as this that make me want to pack the whole thing in.

You have a lot of influence - be careful with it!

The good thing however is that it has inspired me to publish myself, so with any luck, a positive result might come of it.
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