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PERRY
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I'm noticing that most Top Ten books are getting 2-4 reviews a week. Well that explains everything.
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lostamy
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This might be due to the books' excellent quality which makes them tempting to read, as is the case with the current top ten. If the synopsis seems interesting enough, the reviewer would accept the piece immediately, and if it is a real good piece, he would devour it in no time and posts his review on the same day. This is not the case with books that seem dull or have an uninviting synopsis. It is a pity that most reviewers tend to skip those, or just don't feel like reading them at once and end up forgetting them until the four days are over, and thus deprive the author from badly needed advice.
There is also the possibility that the reader reads the piece and doesn't like it very much, and finds that if he posts an honest criticism he would receive angry response from the author. I used to skip works of authors who got needlessly mad over my previous criticism of their works. I just think 'why bother' and remove the piece. Now I tend to post my criticism regardless of the author's responses and hope to be treated the same way.
Sometimes, the reason for a delayed review is much simpler than that. The author might have a stock of reading credits which he collected a month before. Using a credit from such stock without making any new reviews means the piece would have to wait at least 3 or 4 days before it enters the review pool.
To sum it up, the best cure for receiving delayed reviews is to try changing the synopsis, or maybe try to make the first page of the book more tempting to read, and also to make at least 1 review on the same day one allocates a new credit to his piece. Best of luck to everyone with their writing.
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PERRY
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Got sort of sidetracked there, lostamy, you did. I'm not denying there are excellent books in the Top Ten, merely having a moment of revelation as to why some superior books I have reviewed (all subjective of course) have NOT made it to the TT. I too considered the Read Feed as the main culprit, but not only on the basis of these being unattractive, but on them being too accurate and running across genre-bigots. I've a record of all those I have reviewed and very few of them resort to angry responses on the MB, most of them being thankful for any and all reviews and eager to clarify points which they have not fully understood. Scanning down the Thank You thread, there is mighty few angry or even sarcastic responses, so any dander down that road is a bit of a cop-out. I'm guilty of ascerbic responses to reviews, yet my own genuine grateful Thank Yous by far outweigh the less than enthusiastic ones. It's just that niggly barnacles attach themselves to the negative ones and give them greater weight than they really deserve. But this thread is not all about me. It is about the MIA delights which do not get the recognition they deserve. "Why bother?" Why bother coming on the site at all? It is a mutually beneficial site. You offer a review, you get a review. You don't have to read their rants or even take them to heart. (this is the generalised "you" - as in 'one') Here, most exist in fanciful avatars. It's not even as if their rants are against the actual person, but the review. But that's me giving in to the clouding of the issue. The fact is that TT success stories receive more frequent reviews, and it's not all about the unattractiveness of the read feed. As regards first pages, well - any serious reader knows that you have to provide a hook to engage, but you must wait for most of the material until later chapters. We can't expect the majority of the plot in the first 7000 words. That's ludicrous. That's for screenplays, movies, and short stories, not novels. Yet a lot of reviewers crirticise the writer for just such a "flaw".
This post was last edited by PERRY, 05 May 2012, 07:58
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notleyab
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Quote: PERRY, Saturday, 5 May 2012 07:57Got sort of sidetracked there, lostamy, you did. I'm not denying there are excellent books in the Top Ten, merely having a moment of revelation as to why some superior books I have reviewed (all subjective of course) have NOT made it to the TT. The fact is that TT success stories receive more frequent reviews...., . I think you shd thank lostamy fot attempting to fathom out what point you were trying to make in the first place.... Now you start to explain, the second point above highlights why the charts should not be revealed until the end of the month and the winners are announced. People can just keep clicking through their assignments until 1 of the Top 10s or 20 pops up. And that of course leads to others moaning that their excerpt hasn't been reveiwed for countless days.
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dancingsue
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Quote: notleyab, Saturday, 5 May 2012 09:02Quote: PERRY, Saturday, 5 May 2012 07:57Got sort of sidetracked there, lostamy, you did. I'm not denying there are excellent books in the Top Ten, merely having a moment of revelation as to why some superior books I have reviewed (all subjective of course) have NOT made it to the TT. The fact is that TT success stories receive more frequent reviews...., . I think you shd thank lostamy fot attempting to fathom out what point you were trying to make in the first place.... Now you start to explain, the second point above highlights why the charts should not be revealed until the end of the month and the winners are announced. People can just keep clicking through their assignments until 1 of the Top 10s or 20 pops up. And that of course leads to others moaning that their excerpt hasn't been reveiwed for countless days. The top ten isn't really indicative of the best writing - the most outstanding piece I have read on here (Mutatus) barely cracked the top twenty. It wasn't an easy read for various reasons, but it was fantastic. What the top ten tells you about your writing is that it's easy to read - which means all the usual requirements (grammar, punctuation, sentence structure etc) are in place - and that it has a good hook and sustainable characters. I'd argue that being in the top ten can work both ways in terms of receiving reviews. Having discussed this before, it seems that members are punished and rewarded in fairly equal measure. If they get timed-out, they can be pretty certain it is NOT because their work is atrocious!
the long and the short of it
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youngun
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Yeah, for all the occasional gripes, weaknesses and occasional mauvais foi critters, I'd rather put myself before the court of 50 or so YWO reviewers than depend upon just one or two opinions.
This post was last edited by youngun, 05 May 2012, 10:12
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notleyab
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Quote: youngun, Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:08Yeah, for all the occasional gripes, weaknesses and occasional mauvais foi critters, I'd rather put myself before the court of 50 or so YWO reviewers than depend upon just one or two opinions. Mauvey foie - sounds like your paté has grown a pretty color mould. As Basil at his best wd say: Pretentious, moi?
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youngun
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Quote: notleyab, Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:15Quote: youngun, Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:08Yeah, for all the occasional gripes, weaknesses and occasional mauvais foi critters, I'd rather put myself before the court of 50 or so YWO reviewers than depend upon just one or two opinions. Mauvey foie - sounds like your paté has grown a pretty color mould. As Basil at his best wd say: Pretentious, moi? OK, guilty as charged. But there really is no English language equivalent for the existentialist concept of 'mauvais foi' is there? By the sheerest coincidence I was watching the episode of 'Fawlty Towers' in which this occurs last night. It's not Basil who says it but the young guest who is trying to sneak a woman in.
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bigbadjoe
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Mutatus is certainly daring in format and content - in its current form. I don't see any particular evidence to being "fantastic" though. I'll defer to dancingsue on that. She reviewed it a while back and I only glanced at it enough to get a general feel for it - and am a bit embarassed using that word in conjunction with this excerpt from Mutatus.
"Let me lift your skirt, drive my hand inside your underwear, touch the secret between your legs as you open them.
Take your bra off. Let me play with your nipples, bite them, softly, so you can feel a little pain.
Take my trousers off. Let my penis come out straight up pointing to your mouth; you can savour it, lick it as I strip before you."
It's as good as erotica gets, I suppose. Nothing one couldn't read in Playboy, James Herbert or Harold Robbins.
I do notice though that it had been reviewed quite regularly and there seems to be consensus in the reviewers that it is quality, though I would not have rated it. But again, I merely skimmed, and also missed its earlier incarnation - or incarnalation. To me, the synopsis is superior to the content. I suppose that got the reviews rolling. As to ratings, I can only surmise this a matter of taste. I shy away from that idiom, again recalling the excerpt I've incuded here.
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youngun
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Quote: bigbadjoe, Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:03Mutatus is certainly daring in format and content - in its current form. I don't see any particular evidence to being "fantastic" though. I'll defer to dancingsue on that. She reviewed it a while back and I only glanced at it enough to get a general feel for it - and am a bit embarassed using that word in conjunction with this excerpt from Mutatus. "Let me lift your skirt, drive my hand inside your underwear, touch the secret between your legs as you open them. Take your bra off. Let me play with your nipples, bite them, softly, so you can feel a little pain. Take my trousers off. Let my penis come out straight up pointing to your mouth; you can savour it, lick it as I strip before you." It's as good as erotica gets, I suppose. Nothing one couldn't read in Playboy, James Herbert or Harold Robbins. I do notice though that it had been reviewed quite regularly and there seems to be consensus in the reviewers that it is quality, though I would not have rated it. But again, I merely skimmed, and also missed its earlier incarnation - or incarnalation. To me, the synopsis is superior to the content. I suppose that got the reviews rolling. As to ratings, I can only surmise this a matter of taste. I shy away from that idiom, again recalling the excerpt I've incuded here. Bad sex award alert!
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