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 20 Jul 2016, 18:23 #198147 Reply To Post
An entertaining explanation of the banking crisis of 2008. I knew how it came about but it still made my blood boil! Recommended.
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 20 Jul 2016, 20:20 #198150 Reply To Post
It was the way the traders just carried on for their own financial gain without a thought for either the six million who would lose their homes in the US alone, those who would take their own lives, or the repercussions throughout the world. And the fact they got away with it.

It's a good film that really brings it home again. It's never too late to punish those fuckers, surely?
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 21 Jul 2016, 16:14 #198165 Reply To Post
You misunderstood - I didn't mean the guys/gals who saw it coming and laid bets accordingly - they did try to warn people, without success. No, I meant those who mis-sold mortgages and policies knowing that it couldn't go on indefinitely, without a thought for anyone else. Smug bastards who frolicked in the bars and clubs in the City using their ill-gotten gains, getting away with it entirely. I'll never understand why governments failed to recoup some of the losses from those people by taking every penny they owned and diverting it back to the poor sods who were lulled into the idea that their fairy godmother would swoop in at the last minute with a wad of cash to make up the shortfall of endowments and the like. Yes, they were stupid to reach beyond their means, but such emphasis is put on owning your own home here and in the US that you can't blame them for jumping at the chance.
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 21 Jul 2016, 18:53 #198167 Reply To Post
As ever, bastards blinded by bling. Will we ever learn?
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 22 Jul 2016, 11:34 #198176 Reply To Post
I agree, and always have, and not just because I was born here. There's still a historic sense of decency and fair play because of the way our system developed over centuries - i.e. - it wasn't imposed by someone else. But I do think it has lessened over the last three decades, most noticeably since M Thatcher told us there was no such thing as society, only individuals. It gave the unscrupulous a licence to be worse and even 'honour among thieves' was eroded. It has become a culture, as habits do, and a downward spiral.

I don't expect politicians to be saints, but I do expect someone who spouts 'family values' and then has an affair to admit hypocrisy, and I do expect them not to profit personally from policies except as much as the ordinary citizen. I admire someone who stands up for their principles but where they diverge from the majority of elected MPs, I expect them to stand back. Jeremy Corbyn is popular among the party membership because he doesn't mirror the slime bags who have been spinning lies and subterfuge over the last thirty years to suit themselves and wriggle out of the fact that they have failed rather than admit to it. No one ever despises someone who puts their hand up immediately and says they were wrong. It's the weeks, months and years of lying and wriggling that have undermined public trust and led to the mess in which we now find ourselves. But I admit he may be too far out there to pull the party together. A split may be the best thing in the absence of a Liberal Party.
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 22 Jul 2016, 12:08 #198178 Reply To Post
What a time to be blessed with a new JC.
I'm sure teh 2nd coming wasn't supposed to be like this.
But if Labour split even further, you're in effect going to have 3 parties - with a middle of the road bloc between followers of JC & what remains of the tainted Blairites, then trying to get together to form coalitions to be able to govern.
These splits, or just threats of, within parties are even worse -as proved by the Tories capitulation to thr far right over teh referendum.
Wriggly does talk some sense over banking & services, cos there's pretty near bugger all bricks & mortar & machines industry left to support the UK economy.
Having sd all tt, I hv had 1 of those mornings where I can see the advantages of getting out of the EU.
Living in ClubMed land as I do with their endless petty regulatio0ns - just to keep civil servants in a job - and then multiply tt for the EU as a whole.
Spain moaning this morning tt it faces fines for not keeping to Budget & pointing out tt France has already done it umpteen times w/out being admonished.
Out or In, it's almost as scary as the Brave New World of Brexit.

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 22 Jul 2016, 14:41 #198183 Reply To Post
Quote: DrGuessWho, Friday, 22 Jul 2016 11:53

As an aside, I am curious that you should call it the "Liberal Party". In Argentina, the word liberal is a bad word for the left, and usually refers to the conservative right of the country. Probably a left over from soviet days, where the west's liberal democracies opposed the soviet socialist system.

Yes, I mean as in our system, rather than the right of individuals to do what they damned-well want without interference or regulation from government.

The LibDems should be a steadying - even civilising - influence in policy making. I think this is their chance to come back with real ideas and I hope they don't blow it. I vote LibDem because it's the only chance of getting the Tory incumbent removed. The big Jessie supports hunting with hounds apart from anything else and it makes me crazy. Even the Mayor of Pamplona has said that it's time to have a conversation about whether it is ethical or desirable to torture and kill animals for entertainment in the 21st century, yet the likes of Jesse Norman carry on as if there's no ban.
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 22 Jul 2016, 18:24 #198187 Reply To Post
Sorry, but yours is not an argument in which I can see any sense or logic. I have just moved from a very very rural area and I have only seen a dozen foxes in 21 years, yet the local hunt keeps insisting the area is rife with them. None of the three local farmers ever complained of lambs killed during that time, because they look after them properly. It's what shepherds are for. That is as much rural employment as killing for pleasure and the Hunt attracts the kind of people who love it. The terrier men, scum of the earth, digging up and throwing live fox cubs into a kennel full of half-starved dogs to 'train' them. I'm sorry but this kind of thing simply isn't acceptable but it is a part of the Hunt and always has been. And when the dogs start to slow down, are they retired to homes or farms to live out their days in peace? No, they get a bullet or are tied up without food or water to die. Yes, they are. My local Hunt was on TV recently for blatant cruelty but it's intrinsic to the activity. And grouse shooting is in the news for the terrible damage it is doing to Scottish wildlife. The 'conservation' argument is spurious, even laughable. Everyone should be taught that killing is not something one should enjoy, ever. And 'hounding' a sentient being to death should be punished, not encouraged. You disagree and that's that, but I will not rest until every form of killing as entertainment is outlawed.
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 23 Jul 2016, 06:21 #198196 Reply To Post
If most wetland projects cannot survive using natural selection, then they are poorly managed. As to foxes, there are far less lamb deaths to them than to poor husbandry.

In nature, creatures up their birth rate to compensate with predator kills - there are millions of examples of this.

I have a relation who rears sheep. He has a few Anatolian Shepherds which do the business as regards protection and is looking over the possibility of bringing in an Alpaca or two - same sex of course.
 23 Jul 2016, 10:03 #198200 Reply To Post
You do know that many hunts breed and/or encourage foxes into the area so they can be hunted? It isn't about wildlife management at all, it's about killing as entertainment. You can find many news items related to this.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mahatma Gandhi

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being." Abraham Lincoln
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