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iparks398
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Hi, I recently had a free consultation on my book, where they said the formatting of the chapters was a key problem, but would not expand any further without payment. I've tried my best to follow various guidelines but obviously am going wrong somewhere. If anyone has time to give the opening chapters attached a quick glance to tell me where I'm going wrong I would be very, very grateful. Please note, I'm not interested in any critique of the content, just the formatting. Many thanks in advance Cheers
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rosefitzrobert
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Quote: iparks398, Thursday, 22 Mar 2012 20:59Hi, I recently had a free consultation on my book, where they said the formatting of the chapters was a key problem, but would not expand any further without payment. I've tried my best to follow various guidelines but obviously am going wrong somewhere. If anyone has time to give the opening chapters attached a quick glance to tell me where I'm going wrong I would be very, very grateful. Please note, I'm not interested in any critique of the content, just the formatting. Many thanks in advance Cheers Hi, I can tell you right away that publishers and agents expect manuscripts to be submitted double space with indents at the start of each paragraph, in other words, not the modern business letter/email style that you have used.
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For what my opinion is worth, they’re taking the mickey. Reality is, people expect a larger font and double spaced. It’s normal to have a larger inter-paragraph gap as well. All of this can be fixed with a half dozen clicks and so it wouldn’t seem worth commenting on until the words made sense. As you specifically said you didn’t want a comment on them, I didn’t read too much, but I felt the dialogue was a bit too dense. This is made worse by the lack of spacing. Recent “trends” are to do as you have, to start a new scene not indented, but also to use single, rather than double speech marks. These aren’t hard rules, merely guideline suggestions. I’ve attached my five mouse clicks changes version. The only other suggestion would be I would set up a “start scene” style and change the paragraph spacing so that you don’t need the double line feed. Let’s see what others have to say. ET
This post was last edited by erict, 22 Mar 2012, 21:30
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PERRY
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Quote: rosefitzrobert, Thursday, 22 Mar 2012 21:27Quote: iparks398, Thursday, 22 Mar 2012 20:59Hi, I recently had a free consultation on my book, where they said the formatting of the chapters was a key problem, but would not expand any further without payment. I've tried my best to follow various guidelines but obviously am going wrong somewhere. If anyone has time to give the opening chapters attached a quick glance to tell me where I'm going wrong I would be very, very grateful. Please note, I'm not interested in any critique of the content, just the formatting. Many thanks in advance Cheers Hi, I can tell you right away that publishers and agents expect manuscripts to be submitted double space with indents at the start of each paragraph, in other words, not the modern business letter/email style that you have used. Spot on, Lyn. In my DipLCW course work we had to research what publishers want. It's either Richtxt or Times Roman font 12, but always double spaced - no space line between paragraphs, just indents (tab), and indents every time at the start dialogue is required for each speaker. They want script that is squiggly like TR to avoid confusion between 'L's and '1's etc. They are not taking the piss at all - purely practical. P.S. I'm drunk after my calming pits and can still rvweropigbndtiugrt sense.
This post was last edited by PERRY, 23 Mar 2012, 00:32
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erict
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Perry- drunk in charge of a keyboard is a bad place to be, but as you are Irish, it’s probably a normal state… (Bear in mind my other pastime, I have a lot of Irish friends)
My “Taking the mickey” comment wasn’t regarding the need to format. You did, after all, only repeat what I had said and demonstrated in the document I attached. It was regarding a company trying to sell their expertise who won’t even pass on “writer’s 101” knowledge before you flash the cash.
I tried FOC offers from 2 editors. One came back and said, “Try this and this and this, (major change suggestions) if you like the effect, let’s do some more,” the second said, “Oh wonderful, it just needs a couple of tweaks to be perfect,” without any substance, when I knew there were a couple of glaring faults in the writing. (I’d put them in.)
When you are selling skills, a new punter needs the confidence you have them, so they have to be demonstrated - not hinted at . Even I would give away five mouse clicks of knowledge and I’m extremely mean.
Iparks- Rather than spend money on these guys, I’d suggest you get a copy of “self-editing for fiction writers” Browne and King. Then find an editor who demonstrates value for money.
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PERRY
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I have to admit Eric that my eyes skimmed past the attachment, so I hope you'll forgive that. And no, six days out of seven I haven't a drop in me.
I just had a glimpse of the attachment and its format immediately put me off. Immediate indent?
And yes, I've paid for reviews. I got two lines from Viewpoint for £3. Standard issue twaddle.
I second you advice. Go to where there will be value.
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erict
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Quote: PERRY, Friday, 23 Mar 2012 10:02I have to admit Eric that my eyes skimmed past the attachment, so I hope you'll forgive that. And no, six days out of seven I haven't a drop in me. I just had a glimpse of the attachment and its format immediately put me off. Immediate indent? And yes, I've paid for reviews. I got two lines from Viewpoint for £3. Standard issue twaddle. I second you advice. Go to where there will be value. No harm and as to forgive is divine, it's in my nature... I'm sure there are a few sober irishmen (and women) I rarely meet them.
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iparks398
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Whoops! I've attached the wrong file. Of course it was double line spaced, that would be a major schoolboy error! Proper file is attached. Thank you kindly for your comments so far. They are very much appreciated.
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Andrew A
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Hurray, finally, a question I can answer. Publishers and agents are not looking for manuscripts in a printable format – that comes later. They want something they can scan read, with plenty of space to make comments and notes.
Use standard white A4 paper, printed on one side only. You should have a title page with all your details i.e. name, address, book title etc. Every page should have a header to the right side with the page number, your name and the title of your book. The lines should be double-spaced and left justified. Indents should be consistent throughout, preferably with one-inch margins.
Use a simple serif font such as Roman Times or Georgian in 12 points. These days, it is acceptable to use italics, bold and underline, but make sure you are using them correctly. Do not staple or bind you work – hence the header on each page.
If you are lucky enough to have your work published, they will tell you exactly how to present the finished article. If you want your manuscript retuning, enclose a stamped addressed envelope. You should enclose a one-two page synopsis and a brief résumé, describing yourself and why you have written your book, you know, why it is important. Make sure you only send it to those who are actively seeking manuscripts in your genre. The very best of luck.
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PERRY
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An interview with three main publishing houses for a OU course in Creative Writing revealed that the first contacts strongly disapproved of anything "fancy" like italics or fancy fonts where letters could be confused, or of unduly small script. That's why they recommend Times Roman 12 (black) as a standard. Blue ink tends to hurt the eyes apparently. Online submissions or USB submissions are recommended to be Rich Text or doc, as I said earlier. Those publishing ediors concerned did say they preferred hard copy submissions, since it saved the work of screen-staring, so to speak.
This post was last edited by PERRY, 24 Mar 2012, 13:58
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