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SusieHolmes
 02 Jun 2012, 16:57 #150924 Reply To Post
I didn't know where to put this and this thread seems dormant.

I've been watching and read the first GOT (Game of Thrones) and have seen that George Martin is a consultant on the TV show.

How much do you think popularity/public response to the TV series is going to influence his 5th/6th etc novels? ie would he have previously killed off Tyrion, but seeing the response Peter Dinklage has from the audience he may now keep him alive?

Do you think JK Rowling was influenced in the same way with Harry Potter?

BTW - I think YWO seems like a nicer, calmer place of late. It scared me off for a while with all the madness!
youngun
 02 Jun 2012, 18:18 #150931 Reply To Post
Quote: SusieHolmes, Saturday, 2 Jun 2012 16:57
I didn't know where to put this and this thread seems dormant.

I've been watching and read the first GOT (Game of Thrones) and have seen that George Martin is a consultant on the TV show.

How much do you think popularity/public response to the TV series is going to influence his 5th/6th etc novels? ie would he have previously killed off Tyrion, but seeing the response Peter Dinklage has from the audience he may now keep him alive?

Do you think JK Rowling was influenced in the same way with Harry Potter?

BTW - I think YWO seems like a nicer, calmer place of late. It scared me off for a while with all the madness!


GOT - dull.
JKR - dull with knobs on.
YWO MB - dull as ditchwater.

SusieHolmes
 02 Jun 2012, 19:54 #150934 Reply To Post
Fascinating literary insights Youngun, but not really relevant to what I asked. But I enjoyed your potted critiques. I'd put a winky emoticon here to show you that I mean that in a lighthearted way, but I suspect you don't enjoy emoticons.

Choose a genre, any genre that might interest you and apply the same question. So you think that the author is swayed by a TV/film adaptation?

And as for the MB, I don't come on here very often enough to know if it is dull. It just seems so much less screechy.
Majordave
 03 Jun 2012, 09:28 #150946 Reply To Post
Hi Susie,
I have to admit to not having read GOT or HP. But I am watching the series (brilliant) and have seen all the HP films bar the last one. Can't comment on Martin, but I think JKR lost the plot and with it the magic, by making The Deathly Hallows too dark. I have seen part one of DH and am not particularly bothered if I see the last one or not. Apart from some good cgi, I thought the film itself was drab and slow. The early films were great fun, but the later couple seemed depressing. As if she got fed up writing them and counting the billions they made for her. All just my opinion, and maybe the books were better than the films.

Tony.
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rosalindwinter
 03 Jun 2012, 13:54 #150958 Reply To Post
Tony, the same thing happened with the HP books as with the films: started well, peaked with "The Prisoner of Askaban," and then became little more than potboilers. But I suppose if your pots are making you that sort of money, you're going to keep them boiling away.
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Majordave
 03 Jun 2012, 15:07 #150959 Reply To Post
Quote: rosalindwinter, Sunday, 3 Jun 2012 13:54
Tony, the same thing happened with the HP books as with the films: started well, peaked with "The Prisoner of Askaban," and then became little more than potboilers. But I suppose if your pots are making you that sort of money, you're going to keep them boiling away.

Absolutely.

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Straylight
 04 Jun 2012, 13:29 #150991 Reply To Post
IMHO...

The Game of Thrones books are better than the TV series, but the TV has been picking up recently. I'm not sure I like the added sex/nudity for titillation, and Daenerys should be more convincing as the natural leader she is by this point, but so many others are doing very well, and they have been pretty good at cutting the narrative down to be manageable. GRRM used to be a scriptwriter himself so he can advise them sensibly. And the series seems to be catching a lot of people who would never normally touch fantasy with a bargepole.

I think GRRM had got pretty far into the books with Tyrion alive before they aired the TV series, so it hasn't affected him. Besides, the stand-out thing is the total conviction that NO CHARACTER IS SAFE, AT ANY TIME. He does that so well that I'm not sure Dany, Tyrion or anyone will survive the next book, and there's a real chance the world might not get saved.

He's certainly not perfect, though. Every time he does his "I don't want too much obtrusive magic" speech I have a little chuckle at his 500ft-high millennia-old ice wall and the existence of land-based life in in the permanently frozen lands beyond it!

I still think "good on JKR" even if she's not perfect and the films after HP2 were terrible. Book 6 I think could have been skipped entirely but Book 7 was good. Now she is out of contract and in the happy position of only having to write what she wants, when she wants. One day....

James
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j emovon
 27 Mar 2013, 12:22 #164602 Reply To Post
kin dof off topic, but on topic... I remember when I was quite young, reading a short story in an anthology of emerging authors, by a fairly unknow writer. The story was called a 'song for Lya' and the author was GRRM.

The story really stuck with me and was one I read and re read over and over.
I love GOT, the books and the series. Somewhere I think me and Mr Martin are on the same wavelength :D

I have never read HP, so cant comment.

I think that the next GOT book may be influenced by reaction to the series, but not in the way people would expect. I am more convinced that GRRM would kill off the publics' darlings, just to get the shock reaction.
elsieeff
 27 Mar 2013, 16:27 #164620 Reply To Post
Tony, if you haven't read the books, you can't comment on JKR and HP. Even the earliest films sacrificed most of the humour and logic of the story in favour of pointless action sequences. With each succeeding film, missing threads caused ever greater problems and most of the films don't make sense unless you've read the books.
Quote: Majordave, Sunday, 3 Jun 2012 09:28
Hi Susie,
I have to admit to not having read GOT or HP. But I am watching the series (brilliant) and have seen all the HP films bar the last one. Can't comment on Martin, but I think JKR lost the plot and with it the magic, by making The Deathly Hallows too dark. I have seen part one of DH and am not particularly bothered if I see the last one or not. Apart from some good cgi, I thought the film itself was drab and slow. The early films were great fun, but the later couple seemed depressing. As if she got fed up writing them and counting the billions they made for her. All just my opinion, and maybe the books were better than the films.

Tony.


Majordave
 27 Mar 2013, 22:34 #164636 Reply To Post
I made that comment back in June, Lin. I might be dead now.

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